Monday, October 20, 2014

Things I Learned at the DIII FAR Fellows Institute

* I like being a FAR.  DIII student-athletes are cool.
* 40% of NCAA collegiate athletes are DIII.
* There are several lawsuits to watch for: O'Bannon on NIL (name, image, likeness) compensation, the Northwestern unionizing case, and another focused on paying student wages.
* The NCAA makes $800,000,000 in a 3 week period.  Almost all of that comes from football and March Madness.  $400,000,000 goes to the tournament schools. $100,000,000 goes to a fund to help athletes with basic expenses.  3.18% comes off the top of the 8million to fund all of DIII.  A little more (4.1ish%) for DII.

Q: What percentage of high school athletes play NCAA collegiate sports?
Q: What percentage of collegiate players go on to be professionals?
Q: T or F: There is NCAA grant/scholarship money available for grad school?

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  1. Here are some statistics I found about the percentages of student athletes that progress from high school to NCAA and from NCAA to professional sports (as well as a calculation of the number of high school players that actually go on to play professional sports).

    Percent High School to NCAA
    Men’s Basketball -- 3.3%
    Women’s Basketball -- 3.7%
    Football -- 6.5%
    Baseball -- 6.8%
    Men’s Ice Hockey -- 11.3%
    Men’s Soccer -- 5.7%

    Percent NCAA to Professional
    Men’s Basketball -- 1.2%
    Women’s Basketball -- 0.9%
    Football -- 1.6%
    Baseball -- 9.4%
    Men’s Ice Hockey -- 0.8%
    Men’s Soccer -- 1.9%

    Percent High School to Professional
    Men’s Basketball -- 0.03%
    Women’s Basketball -- 0.03%
    Football -- 0.08%
    Baseball -- 0.50%
    Men’s Ice Hockey -- 0.07%
    Men’s Soccer -- 0.09%

    (Source: http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/probability-competing-beyond-high-school, accessed October 21)

    And true! The NCAA will actually provide scholarships for postgraduate studies to athletes who excel. A total of up to 174 scholarships may be distributed each year with each totaling $7500. (Source: http://www.ncaa.org/ncaa-postgraduate-scholarship-program, accessed October 21)

    I will admit that I was surprised by how few players progress from each level to the next, though I knew the values would be low. I recall, when I was younger, it was the dream of every student to become a professional athlete—which might explain why the field is so competitive.

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    1. I find this shocking! I would have never thought that Men's ice hockey would be the most from high school to NCAA. I would have never have thought that the most to go professional would be baseball. I would have thought that football would be the most to go pro from college. I would have thought that from high school to NCAA would have been football as well. I wonder how other sports compete in these rankings.

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    2. I agree with Nicci, I was shocked how high Men's ice hockey would go from high school to play in the NCAA. I would have expected football to be higher considering how many players are on a single team.

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    3. In all honesty these numbers are not shocking. Think of how publicized hockey is just in our area. I honestly do not know of any schools with hockey teams, especially in kentucky. But for most D1 colleges they have hockey as a sport. Since there is a lack of participation in high school from the hockey standpoint a higher percentage of players are needed to fill the teams rosters and thus why there is a higher percentage of players from high school going to NCAA. This is why it does not shock me.

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    4. It is awesome to know that a student athlete can be rewarded with a scholarship for post-graduate studies for classroom work and excelling on the field.

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    5. I do not find this shocking about how Men's hockey and football have 2 of the lowest percentages of athletes making it to the pros from college because with these sports comes much brutality and violence than other sports. Meaning that in Hockey and football there are going to be many more career ending injuries in these sports, although these types of injuries are rare they are going to effect these sports a lot more. Also you have to take in to consideration the number of professional teams in each sport and their roster size. in the NHL there are only 30 teams with a 23 man roster and the NFL has only 32 teams with a 53 man roster. In pro baseball there are 30 teams with a 40 man roster but they also have their minor leagues. The NBA has 30 teams with 15 roster spots. But they also have their D league which are also considered pro athletes. So from this data you have to take in to consideration the size of the collegiate teams. So these sports that have higher percentages of athletes making it to the pros, have minor leagues that have a lot of athletes that considered "Professional Athletes."

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  2. I found the same statistics on the NCAA website as Michael. I think it is very interesting that the highest rate of high school athletes that go to college to continue playing are men's ice hockey, I would think that the highest would be football. the percentage of college athletes that go pro didn't surprise me. I think it is very difficult in some sports to go pro in the united states, many athletes go overseas and play to still play the game the love. I believe there is a scholarship/ grant money that is available for graduate school. I know at NAIA schools they will sometimes hire a assistant coach and pay for their schooling as they are coaching. At division 1 schools they have a spot on most athletic teams called GA spot. that spot is for the graduate assistant that is like the team manager and they go to school but are also part of the team. The GA's are on scholarship just like the athletes.

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  3. This article is off topic, but I found it during my search for other sports that progress from high to NCAA and to pro. This article is about the recruiting process at the age of 13. How does that make everyone feel? Quite honestly, it disgust me. I feel like there should be a rule about recruiting that early. How does a coach even know that player will remain that good within the next 4 years? Does recruiting that early ruin the fun in sports? What value is there in recruiting that early? How does it affect other members of the team? I think this would be something interesting to discuss.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/27/sports/committing-to-play-for-a-college-then-starting-9th-grade.html

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  4. I also found it very interesting that the highest rate of high school athletes that go to college to continue playing a sport is men's Ice Hockey, this surprises me mainly because growing up i couldn't name one hockey player and my school did not have a hockey team so i assumed most school did not. i would think basketball players or football players would have the highest rate of players who continued playing a sport at the college level. i was not surprised with how the percentages decreases as the levels increases not only because it get a lot harder and stressful managing school/sports and also the number of pro teams are limited and there is major competition trying to make a roster in any sport.

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  5. I was also quite surprised of how ice hockey have the higher rate of going from high school to college. I feel like its higher because there isn't a lot of places that have hockey than it is with the other sports listed above. And the percentages of colleges to the pros don't really surprise me at all, but it does get me where there is none of them are over 1% which is crazy.

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    1. Don't worry about that last part. I read it wrong haha. It didn't surprise me that there are less than 1% in each sport go from high school to the pros, but I would kind of have hoped that ice hockey would be over 1% just because of its higher rates in the other categories.

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  6. I also agree with Nicci, I would have never guessed most high school athletes go to college to play men's hockey. Football would have been the one i would have though. Yet, i knew from college to professional would be a low number, there's a whole lot more colleges then professional teams in all sports.

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  7. It will be interesting too see how the O'bannon case turns out because it could be a huge turning point for student athletes, with the ability to be compensated for the use of their image with his/her likeness. As I was just posting I looked up the O'bannon case and found the judge released a 99-page ruling in favor of O'bannon: "an injunction that will prevent the NCAA the "from enforcing any rules or bylaws that would prohibit its member schools and conferences from offering their FBS football or Division I basketball recruits a limited share of the revenues generated from the use of their names, images, and likenesses in addition to a full grant-in-aid." While many expenses are covered by a scholarship, transportation and various incidental incident. Here are the major guidelines of the statement:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2014/08/08/ed-obannon-antitrust-lawsuit-vs-ncaa/13801277/

    The ruling also will allow schools and conferences to deposit money in trust for football and men's basketball players that will become payable when they leave school or their eligibility expires. Under this setup:

    •The NCAA will be allowed to set a cap on the amount of money that may be held in trust, but that cap cannot be less than $5,000 in 2014 dollars for every year the athletes remain academically eligible.

    •Schools will be allowed to offer less than the NCAA maximum amount if they so choose, but they cannot unlawfully conspire with each other in setting the amounts they offer.

    •The NCAA will be allowed have rules that prevent the athletes from using the money being held in trust for them to obtain other financial benefits while they are in school.

    •The NCAA also will be able to have rules that prevent schools from offering different amounts of deferred money to athletes who are in the same recruiting class on the same team.

    •The amounts that schools decide to place in trust for the athletes may vary from year to year.

    This new policy will not cause competition between schools in how much and what type of compensation is given to them. I think it is a fair ruling because the NCAA uses the image and likeness of the player with things such as selling jerseys or video games.

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    1. In the last paragraph i meant to say **will cause competition between schools.."

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  8. I feel like the Obannon case is a very dicey subject to try and make a final conclusion to. I definitely don't agree with the colleges being able to hold out from paying the athletes, but isn't that just going to result in the students being used as a means to an end and take away the personal factor in recruiting athletes? College sports are turning into such a business like the pros, players will be getting recruited just because everyone knows their name, not even that they can play. Then the classroom side of college will become basically non-existant. Colleges will be paying players to come to their school and play, knowing they wont have to take serious classes or think about getting a degree.

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  9. I know that this might be a very limited subject, but I would wonder also, what the statistics are for high schoolers and collegiate athletes that go on to other professional things that weren't their designated sport. For instance, Kerri Walsh is a famous,Olympic, Pro, AVP sand volleyball player and she went to Stanford University to play hard court. She didn't even really start to play competitively in the sand until after college. Are there other types of professionals that are like this?!

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