I am not surprised at 2-year numbers of DIII athletes. Of all the divisions, DIII knows they have to do well in school in order to make a career in the future. I feel like the numbers are they way they are because athletes must keep a certain GPA to play their sport. So if a student plays all four years in college, pending what season their sport is in they basically have to get a degree to play for four years, if they don't schedule too lightly. This is a good thing, if players start getting paid then less and less will graduate with a degree.
I agree with phil here, if money starts to be the issue then people will no longer care about their grades only the amount of money they can make from sports. It devalues the education as a whole. I believe that students should not get paid because of this reason and if we did start paying athletes then some will start to bicker and fight because one player is getting paid more than the other player. I remember my freshman year one of the coaches, from football, said D3 athletes are the purest athlete. They play this sport because they love it not because of a scholarship. Adding money into the mix only devalues athletics and academics of these students as a whole.
I agree with Phil and Nick. Dlll is more focused on school and getting a college degree-which is why the rates are decently high. I also really like how Nick pointed out his coach said that DIII athletes are the purest--because I had a coach say the same thing to me my freshman year! My volleyball coach told me that DIII athletes are the most dedicated and neatest players..which is why he loves coaching at TMC, because we are here because we want to be here. We want to play despite money and what not. Which is so true, D3 athletes play sports because they love the game. They aren't given a scholarship to play--it's pure dedication and love for the sport. And in my opinion, if a player if fully committed to playing a D3 sport, they will succeed and try just as hard in the classroom.
Division III offers sports with diminished pressure on the athlete as compared to D I. This is mainly due to DIII not offering scholarships for athletics but also its main goal which is to see the academic success of the student. Whereas in DI, athletes receive scholarships, coaches are paid, winning is everything, and athletics are the main focus. Academics comes second to some athletes. I agree with Kohrs that DIII athletes are the purest kinds of athlete because there is no financial pressure to do well. You can focus just on academics and playing a game you love. Yes, there are some student athletes who do put athletics before academics and some suffer academically due to that. DIII offers a person the privilege to play the sport and it is that person's job to understand they are there for academics first and athletics second. The pressure is non existent from the standpoint of having to do well to be on scholarship or the workload of DI because there is a lot of money involved. Coaches have to be better than the rest and immense pressure is put on them to win. We have to understand what DIII offers as a whole and evaluate what it has offered to so many student athletes. Adding money into the mix may change the academic nature of DIII into an athletically focused institution.
I believe money is the root of all evil in the DI and DIII schools. They focus more on athletics than academics. In DI athletics bring in the most money especially if they are a winning school. So like Phil, I am not surprised in DIII schools more athletes graduate. DIII schools give no athletic scholarships only academic scholarships. So when an athlete plays for a DIII school they play for the love of the game and not for what they get from the game (money). The athletes and coaches etc.in a DIII school know what counts after sports, grades, graduation, job,and money.
I agree with you Travis. Academics at Thomas More is the main focus because if you dont have the grades you can't play. That's how it is so student athletes are required to focus on grades in DIII while DI student athletes can focus on athletics if they have an athletic scholarship. There are many ways for an athlete in DI to get special treatment academically if they are there for being an athlete.
D1 athletes don't do anything academically compared to any other division. I think this happens mostly in men's sports. D1 athletes do nothing in the classroom and have so much access to tutors and other students that will do their work for them if they can get a autograph, etc. I experienced this at Florida with a few of the football players. I think there shouldn't even be D1 athletes they should just be considered semi pro teams in every sport. At any other division you have to do your own work and actually work for your degree. it amazes me the difference between D1-D3
I agree with Sydney. I believe since the higher leveled athletes get to go to school for free because of sports, then they have an obligation to the sport rather than their studies. I feel as if they do this because of the pressures of losing the sports scholarship. But there is a dramatic difference between D1-D3. Do you think athletes can be pressured by the coaches to have their work done by the tutors so that they stay eligible ?
I agree with Sydney 100% here. In high school one of my best friends was receiving multiple Division I scholarships to just about any school he wanted. He decided to commit to Auburn University. He was only there for one semester but the experiences he shared with me were unlike my experiences here at Thomas More. He said just what Sydney talks about in her post. He told me that he never had to do any type of work because all of the tutors that were provided for him completed everything. One time he told me that he wouldn't even see his work because the tutors would complete it and turn it in before he even had a chance to see it. The amount of extra benefits and extra stuff that these Division I athletes have access to is incredible. Like Sydney said, The difference between Division I and Division III is amazing.
I agree with Sydney because I have also seen the differences of work ethic in the classroom between Division I athletes and Division III. I played football at Toledo before I came to Thomas More and I have to admit I took advantage of the glamour and getting everything handed to me. My work ethic in the classroom at Toledo was mediocre at best but in the end I had a 3.0. But when I came to Thomas More i realized that that stuff does not fly here. I have to put 20 times more time into my school work than I had to at Toledo and I think this is crazy! What makes it right for Division I athletes to be given everything? Knowing that only 2% of those athletes are going to make it to the Pros, and in those 2% some of those athletes do not have long careers so what are they going to do after they are done playing. If they were given everything in college when it comes to academics, how are they going to develop a skill or even a work ethic to have a career other than sports?
I agree with you blake! why can so many D1 athletes get away with the easiest undergraduate program when they might not even make it to the pros and that is the case for most D1 athletes. Most will never make it to the pros but they are treated as such and can get away with it. I dont think this will change or stop because you have so many people at a D1 school ready to do anything in order to get that "autograph" or whatever else it may be. It really isnt fair when you look at the academic work put in across all the divisions. Im sure you would see a trend of student athletes being challenged in the classroom more in D2 and D3 than D1.
I agree with Sydney on this one. If we are putting these D1 players on a pedestal and not holding them accountable for their own work, why not pay them? Why should the schools offer scholarship money and give a kid a degree just because they are good at a sport? Why not make them pay for their own degree, but the school pay them for their performance? There should be a seperation between sports and academics at a D1 level. Pay them their tuition if they are going to take school seriously, but if they arent going to take school seriously, make them pay for their tuition but they receive a smaller incentive for performance.
I agree with everyone else that it does not surprise me that NCAA Division III athletes tend to have the highest graduation rate, as a result of how—though they are athletes—they are still expected to perform at a level consistent with that of the rest of the student body. This might seem at first counterintuitive in that the standards—in my perhaps biased opinion—for Division III athletes are likely the highest when compared to all other college athletes. Athletes who enroll at a Division III institution and begin to play athletics there should understand the kind of commitment that they are taking on and realize that, if they are not willing to perform bother academically and athletically, they should find a different way to attain their education.
In other words, Division III institutions attract athletes who are academically motivated because these individuals recognize that they will not be accorded privileges that are not also extended to the rest of the students. Consequently, these students are more likely to succeed both on the field or court and in the classroom and thus go on to graduate at higher rates than their Division I or II counterparts. This is not to state that all Division I and II athletes are not academically motivated but rather that athletes who choose to attend Division III schools understand that they will have to perform especially well academically and that academics may not be quite as emphasized at Division I or Division II schools.
It doesn't surprise me that D III athletes have higher grades than D1 or DII. I say that because at DIII schools you don't receive scholarships for that sport. So they put more emphasis on school work than a DI athlete would, DI athletes that play men's basketball for example may not care about academics because their goal is to go for one or two years and enter the NBA. So, that may be one of the reasons why the DI athletes have lower grades than other divisions.
I am not surprised at 2-year numbers of DIII athletes. Of all the divisions, DIII knows they have to do well in school in order to make a career in the future. I feel like the numbers are they way they are because athletes must keep a certain GPA to play their sport. So if a student plays all four years in college, pending what season their sport is in they basically have to get a degree to play for four years, if they don't schedule too lightly. This is a good thing, if players start getting paid then less and less will graduate with a degree.
ReplyDeleteI agree with phil here, if money starts to be the issue then people will no longer care about their grades only the amount of money they can make from sports. It devalues the education as a whole. I believe that students should not get paid because of this reason and if we did start paying athletes then some will start to bicker and fight because one player is getting paid more than the other player. I remember my freshman year one of the coaches, from football, said D3 athletes are the purest athlete. They play this sport because they love it not because of a scholarship. Adding money into the mix only devalues athletics and academics of these students as a whole.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Phil and Nick. Dlll is more focused on school and getting a college degree-which is why the rates are decently high. I also really like how Nick pointed out his coach said that DIII athletes are the purest--because I had a coach say the same thing to me my freshman year! My volleyball coach told me that DIII athletes are the most dedicated and neatest players..which is why he loves coaching at TMC, because we are here because we want to be here. We want to play despite money and what not. Which is so true, D3 athletes play sports because they love the game. They aren't given a scholarship to play--it's pure dedication and love for the sport. And in my opinion, if a player if fully committed to playing a D3 sport, they will succeed and try just as hard in the classroom.
DeleteDivision III offers sports with diminished pressure on the athlete as compared to D I. This is mainly due to DIII not offering scholarships for athletics but also its main goal which is to see the academic success of the student. Whereas in DI, athletes receive scholarships, coaches are paid, winning is everything, and athletics are the main focus. Academics comes second to some athletes. I agree with Kohrs that DIII athletes are the purest kinds of athlete because there is no financial pressure to do well. You can focus just on academics and playing a game you love. Yes, there are some student athletes who do put athletics before academics and some suffer academically due to that. DIII offers a person the privilege to play the sport and it is that person's job to understand they are there for academics first and athletics second. The pressure is non existent from the standpoint of having to do well to be on scholarship or the workload of DI because there is a lot of money involved. Coaches have to be better than the rest and immense pressure is put on them to win. We have to understand what DIII offers as a whole and evaluate what it has offered to so many student athletes. Adding money into the mix may change the academic nature of DIII into an athletically focused institution.
ReplyDeleteI believe money is the root of all evil in the DI and DIII schools. They focus more on athletics than academics. In DI athletics bring in the most money especially if they are a winning school. So like Phil, I am not surprised in DIII schools more athletes graduate. DIII schools give no athletic scholarships only academic scholarships. So when an athlete plays for a DIII school they play for the love of the game and not for what they get from the game (money). The athletes and coaches etc.in a DIII school know what counts after sports, grades, graduation, job,and money.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Travis. Academics at Thomas More is the main focus because if you dont have the grades you can't play. That's how it is so student athletes are required to focus on grades in DIII while DI student athletes can focus on athletics if they have an athletic scholarship. There are many ways for an athlete in DI to get special treatment academically if they are there for being an athlete.
ReplyDeleteD1 athletes don't do anything academically compared to any other division. I think this happens mostly in men's sports. D1 athletes do nothing in the classroom and have so much access to tutors and other students that will do their work for them if they can get a autograph, etc. I experienced this at Florida with a few of the football players. I think there shouldn't even be D1 athletes they should just be considered semi pro teams in every sport. At any other division you have to do your own work and actually work for your degree. it amazes me the difference between D1-D3
ReplyDeleteI agree with Sydney. I believe since the higher leveled athletes get to go to school for free because of sports, then they have an obligation to the sport rather than their studies. I feel as if they do this because of the pressures of losing the sports scholarship. But there is a dramatic difference between D1-D3. Do you think athletes can be pressured by the coaches to have their work done by the tutors so that they stay eligible ?
DeleteI agree with Sydney 100% here. In high school one of my best friends was receiving multiple Division I scholarships to just about any school he wanted. He decided to commit to Auburn University. He was only there for one semester but the experiences he shared with me were unlike my experiences here at Thomas More. He said just what Sydney talks about in her post. He told me that he never had to do any type of work because all of the tutors that were provided for him completed everything. One time he told me that he wouldn't even see his work because the tutors would complete it and turn it in before he even had a chance to see it. The amount of extra benefits and extra stuff that these Division I athletes have access to is incredible. Like Sydney said, The difference between Division I and Division III is amazing.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Sydney because I have also seen the differences of work ethic in the classroom between Division I athletes and Division III. I played football at Toledo before I came to Thomas More and I have to admit I took advantage of the glamour and getting everything handed to me. My work ethic in the classroom at Toledo was mediocre at best but in the end I had a 3.0. But when I came to Thomas More i realized that that stuff does not fly here. I have to put 20 times more time into my school work than I had to at Toledo and I think this is crazy! What makes it right for Division I athletes to be given everything? Knowing that only 2% of those athletes are going to make it to the Pros, and in those 2% some of those athletes do not have long careers so what are they going to do after they are done playing. If they were given everything in college when it comes to academics, how are they going to develop a skill or even a work ethic to have a career other than sports?
ReplyDeleteI agree with you blake! why can so many D1 athletes get away with the easiest undergraduate program when they might not even make it to the pros and that is the case for most D1 athletes. Most will never make it to the pros but they are treated as such and can get away with it. I dont think this will change or stop because you have so many people at a D1 school ready to do anything in order to get that "autograph" or whatever else it may be. It really isnt fair when you look at the academic work put in across all the divisions. Im sure you would see a trend of student athletes being challenged in the classroom more in D2 and D3 than D1.
DeleteI agree with Sydney on this one. If we are putting these D1 players on a pedestal and not holding them accountable for their own work, why not pay them? Why should the schools offer scholarship money and give a kid a degree just because they are good at a sport? Why not make them pay for their own degree, but the school pay them for their performance? There should be a seperation between sports and academics at a D1 level. Pay them their tuition if they are going to take school seriously, but if they arent going to take school seriously, make them pay for their tuition but they receive a smaller incentive for performance.
ReplyDeleteI agree with everyone else that it does not surprise me that NCAA Division III athletes tend to have the highest graduation rate, as a result of how—though they are athletes—they are still expected to perform at a level consistent with that of the rest of the student body. This might seem at first counterintuitive in that the standards—in my perhaps biased opinion—for Division III athletes are likely the highest when compared to all other college athletes. Athletes who enroll at a Division III institution and begin to play athletics there should understand the kind of commitment that they are taking on and realize that, if they are not willing to perform bother academically and athletically, they should find a different way to attain their education.
ReplyDeleteIn other words, Division III institutions attract athletes who are academically motivated because these individuals recognize that they will not be accorded privileges that are not also extended to the rest of the students. Consequently, these students are more likely to succeed both on the field or court and in the classroom and thus go on to graduate at higher rates than their Division I or II counterparts. This is not to state that all Division I and II athletes are not academically motivated but rather that athletes who choose to attend Division III schools understand that they will have to perform especially well academically and that academics may not be quite as emphasized at Division I or Division II schools.
It doesn't surprise me that D III athletes have higher grades than D1 or DII. I say that because at DIII schools you don't receive scholarships for that sport. So they put more emphasis on school work than a DI athlete would, DI athletes that play men's basketball for example may not care about academics because their goal is to go for one or two years and enter the NBA. So, that may be one of the reasons why the DI athletes have lower grades than other divisions.
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