In DIII sports student-athletes participate in them simple because they have a great deal of love for the that sport. I do not think we have the same issues with the NCAA because in DI and DII sports are more serious than just playing for the love of the game. It is a greater possibility that they could make a job out of it than in DIII.
I agree with the fact that D3 schools are not as strict as D1 schools. However, with the amount of time put in the offseason as a football player, I view it as a job partly due to the work put in but also the importance of my position to the team.
I disagree with you here Nicci. D3 sports are as strict and as pressured as D1 sports. As an athlete here at a D3 institution I am required to maintain a certain GPA in order to stay eligible. One major difference between D1 and D3 is that D1 athletes receive as much help and as much individual attention they need in order to get they school work finished. I understand that we have tutors here at TMC but I can guarantee you that it is nowhere near the attention that some D1 athletes receive at some of their institutions. I also disagree with the fact that D3 athletes don't view their sport as a job because I do. Football here at TMC is a job and it can be tough sometimes to manage both football and school and sometimes a job on top of that.
Al Upshaw- I agree with Jake henderson that d3 schools are not as strict as D1 sports. D1 sports are more strict and the players have more pressure because most are on scholarship and if they don't perform to everybody expectations they can lose there scholarship. i also agree with Jake that player a sport on any level is like a job.
DIII is still competitive it is just not as competitive as DI because the teachers are hear to help us receive a job after school. In DIII most of them are looking into furthering in their sport but most of us are to further our education. I'm not saying it could be the other way but that there is more emphasis on their sports performance than schooling performance.
I think that the level of commitment can depend on the player and the team. If someone is a starting player and one of the best athletes on their team, they might be motivated and encouraged to put in much more time and effort that their responsibilities parallel those of employment. At the same time, if someone is not starting and just goes to practices but does not compete, they might view their athletic experience more as recreation and less as a responsibility.
I also find it interesting about much more attention is devoted to DI athletes over DIII, as Tyler mentioned. I suppose that it makes sense, given that schools make a considerable investment in the athletic abilities of these students and need to ensure that their academic performance does not hinder their potential. At the same time, what has become more prevalent in the news lately is that these students are often academically evaluated in a manner inconsistent with how faculty would evaluate other students. Namely, it is not uncommon on social media to read about how poor quality work is rewarded for an athlete when this would not be the case for anyone else. I do not mean to be controversial or offend anyone, but I am interested to hear what people think about this.
DIII sports are different in the fact that student athletes participate in the sport mainly because they love it. They are not being brought in by scholarships, nor is there any pressure on them to play. Although DIII is still very competitive, it is not at the level that DIII athletics is on. If a player gets injured in DIII, they can always come back and play once they are rehabilitated. If a player in DIII gets injured, the coach can always cut their scholarship and let that player. DIII is risky in that fact, since a coach can get rid of a player at anytime. That is not true for DIII, since scholarships aren't part of recruitment.
I also feel that DIII sports emphasize education and graduation a lot more than DI schools do. If you look at the facts, DI schools do not graduate a lot of their college athletes. DIII schools on the other hand, have a much better graduation rate. Education and graduation is a key difference in DI and DIII sports/colleges.
Everyone is playing for a different reason at any level of sports. Whether it be for the love of the game or to go on to the next level (doesnt have to be the NFL) in the case of football. The main difference is that D3 offers no athletic scholarships which makes no sense to me. You'd think with all of the revenue generated that it could trickle down to our level and offer many more people a chance to play the game they love.
In my opinion Division III (D3) athletics are the toughest of them all. I agree with Nicci on the fact that D3 athletes participate in sports because they love the game. As a D3 athlete like myself one of the toughest things to overcome is the fact that we cannot receive any sort of athletic scholarship. Recently, there was a big issue in D1 athletics with players going to bed hungry. Players were complaining that they were not getting enough food with the amount of work they are putting into their sport. The NCAA looked into the situation and made a change right away. Now D1 athletes have the privilege of receiving as much food as they want during any time of the day and its all free. As a D3 athlete I think if they are going to change the rule for D1 athletes then they need to change the rule for D2 and D3 athletes.
I agree with you goose, but the main fact why they won't is because it is our love of the game that keeps us playing this sport and not getting a scholarship. If we complain then all they'll say is ok quit
DIII sports are tremendously different than DII or DI sports. DIII athletes truly care about the game, their life, their studies, their future. A majority of DI and DII athletes are only attending school to play their respected sport. Take a scholarship out of the equation for any DI caliber athlete and I would say 50% of them don't take the time or effort to care. We (DIII) athletes have to deal with everyday hardships and struggles of the real world to support ourselves, DI athletes just have to show up to class, go hard in practice, and stay out of trouble.
I think the biggest difference between DIII sports vs DI or DII is the reasons why we play. DIII athletes play for the love of the game, we aren't playing for a scholarship, we play for the game. I've read a couple articles that say DIII isn't as competitive as the others, but I disagree because I know our football team here is told to compete everyday and to out compete or out work our opponents. I feel as if DII or DI atheltes do what is needed to just get by, but DIII athletes strive for excellence in the class room and on the field. At least we do here at TMC, thats why all our sports teams are so successful. I feel like DIII, DII, and DI have similar issues but the only ones that the media focuses on are DI athletes. DI athletes are under close watch with the media. For example Johnny Manziel when he was a collegiate athlete. Never do you see anything on ESPN or any news on DIII athletes partying or doing the things he did.
The article below is a break down view on each division:
I think the reason why people think that there is such a huge difference between Division I athletics and Division II athletics is caused by the drastic difference in media coverage. There is always some type of Division I sport on a ESPN network and the only time you see Division II sports on TV is if it it is the national championship. Also I think another difference is that Division III athletes play for the love of the game and Division I athletes play for the fame and the money(scholarships). I think that there really isn't a difference between the two divisions when it comes to training and off season workouts. We both have the early morning lifts and runs and work just as hard because we all have the same goals, and that is championships.
The biggest difference between d1 athletics is the amount of media coverage each division is receiving. For example one of the best players in a d1 can be featured on ESPN everyday on college football live and become a household name; whereas Thomas More currently has one the best players in d3 and safe to say he won't be getting the notice compared to someone playing for Ohio State. When it comes to time put in with school, training, practice, studying, etc. I believe it's about the same as a full time job on each level.
The difference with D3 sports is that there is less commitment then D1 to D2. I don't think D3 players have the same issues with the NCAA as D1 players. For example, d3 players do not get drugged tested and if they do they might get it once a year, at D1 schools, players get tested at least once a month, even during their off season.
There are a couple of differences between D3 and D2&D1. The scholarships are different from each other where D3 doesn't receive spots scholarships, but the other two divisions do. Another thing is that I honestly believe that D3 athletes care more for the sport that they play due to the fact that you don't receive scholarships. Its like D3 has a showing of more commitment and passion for it compared to how D2 & D1 really reflect it on having a chance to go to the next level and having almost everything handed to them.
To draw a tangent from the debate about paying student athletes, especially at the Division I level, I am curious to hear about what people think of the proposition that Division III athletes could be offered athletic scholarships. Would that be a reasonable policy or is it prone to the same abuse that might come about with paying Division I athletes a stipend?
I think that one consideration is how, as Division III schools are generally smaller and more tuition-driven, the expense of giving out scholarships is more palpable for these institutions than is the case at the Division I or II levels, and as a result, the same problem of the wealthiest schools recruiting the most skilled athletes through more attractive scholarships exists. I do not think that this would apply as much though considering that not quite as much money is pumped into Division III athletics as is the case for Divisions I and II.
My two cents on Division III athletics is that it is more recreational. Yes, I compete and, yes, I put in considerable amounts of time into tennis, but I have no intention of ever pursuing tennis in any sort of professional capacity after graduation (I have nowhere near the requisite talent for that). Tennis is a component of my experience here at TMC, but my education is by far my foremost concern.
I feel like the biggest difference for Dlll athletes are that they play the game mainly for the love for the sport. when you look at Dl or Dll they are about to receive athletic money to help convince or persuade them attend a certain university. and even though majority of Dl athletes have a better chance of playing at the next level i still believe with the money generated by the NCAA, Dlll athletes should get a little help paying for school even if its not much. it can almost been seen as disrespectful to athletes, its like the NCAA is telling them they aren't athletic enough to earn money for school.
DIII sports obviously don't give their students any scholarships so that's really the big difference. If players earned scholarships in DIII, then it would face the same problems DI and DII face. also, DIII doesn't have nearly the fan base and media coverage DI gets, so the players strictly do this for the fact that they want to play still. no other motives besides the sport. And i definitely agree with Luke's last comment, if certain schools are allowed paying their players contracts to play there, why can't DIII athletes even receive a scholarship?
I think that the biggest difference in D III sports is that the athletes play the game for the love of the game rather than for a athletic scholarship because D III athletes can't receive an athletic scholarship. And most a lot of D I athletes are trying to go pro where as D III athletes usually are not. No they do not have the same sort of issues because D III athletes don't have to worry about athletic scholarships and they have more time to focus on school work because that is more important.
I think that there are some huge differences in DIII sports. The biggest one I think is that DIII athletes play because like CJ said above, they love the game. Athletes that love the game and want to play for fun and devote their entire life to the sport is why they play DIII. At the other levels you don't get that love of the game. Maybe youre on the team to keep your scholarship, or it was just what was expected of you. But I know so many people that went to DII and DI colleges to play sports and just totally hated it. They went from loving the game the played all of their life to hating it in a matter of 6 months.
As for the NCAA I believe that there are more issues in the DI and DIi athletes because they are more closely watched. I know that this may sound bad, but NCAA doesn't really care about DIII athletes. We're just another number to them and in the end wind up not creating a revenue for them so as a business, all we do is drain money from them so the could care less about us. Just as in anything now days, big businesses only care about you if you are an asset to their revenue.
In DIII sports student-athletes participate in them simple because they have a great deal of love for the that sport. I do not think we have the same issues with the NCAA because in DI and DII sports are more serious than just playing for the love of the game. It is a greater possibility that they could make a job out of it than in DIII.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Casey. DIII schools are not as strict/pressured as DI sports. Nor do DIII athletes view their sport as a job, but more as recreation.
DeleteI agree with the fact that D3 schools are not as strict as D1 schools. However, with the amount of time put in the offseason as a football player, I view it as a job partly due to the work put in but also the importance of my position to the team.
DeleteI disagree with you here Nicci. D3 sports are as strict and as pressured as D1 sports. As an athlete here at a D3 institution I am required to maintain a certain GPA in order to stay eligible. One major difference between D1 and D3 is that D1 athletes receive as much help and as much individual attention they need in order to get they school work finished. I understand that we have tutors here at TMC but I can guarantee you that it is nowhere near the attention that some D1 athletes receive at some of their institutions. I also disagree with the fact that D3 athletes don't view their sport as a job because I do. Football here at TMC is a job and it can be tough sometimes to manage both football and school and sometimes a job on top of that.
DeleteAl Upshaw- I agree with Jake henderson that d3 schools are not as strict as D1 sports. D1 sports are more strict and the players have more pressure because most are on scholarship and if they don't perform to everybody expectations they can lose there scholarship. i also agree with Jake that player a sport on any level is like a job.
DeleteDIII is still competitive it is just not as competitive as DI because the teachers are hear to help us receive a job after school. In DIII most of them are looking into furthering in their sport but most of us are to further our education. I'm not saying it could be the other way but that there is more emphasis on their sports performance than schooling performance.
DeleteI think that the level of commitment can depend on the player and the team. If someone is a starting player and one of the best athletes on their team, they might be motivated and encouraged to put in much more time and effort that their responsibilities parallel those of employment. At the same time, if someone is not starting and just goes to practices but does not compete, they might view their athletic experience more as recreation and less as a responsibility.
DeleteI also find it interesting about much more attention is devoted to DI athletes over DIII, as Tyler mentioned. I suppose that it makes sense, given that schools make a considerable investment in the athletic abilities of these students and need to ensure that their academic performance does not hinder their potential. At the same time, what has become more prevalent in the news lately is that these students are often academically evaluated in a manner inconsistent with how faculty would evaluate other students. Namely, it is not uncommon on social media to read about how poor quality work is rewarded for an athlete when this would not be the case for anyone else. I do not mean to be controversial or offend anyone, but I am interested to hear what people think about this.
DIII sports are different in the fact that student athletes participate in the sport mainly because they love it. They are not being brought in by scholarships, nor is there any pressure on them to play. Although DIII is still very competitive, it is not at the level that DIII athletics is on. If a player gets injured in DIII, they can always come back and play once they are rehabilitated. If a player in DIII gets injured, the coach can always cut their scholarship and let that player. DIII is risky in that fact, since a coach can get rid of a player at anytime. That is not true for DIII, since scholarships aren't part of recruitment.
ReplyDeleteI also feel that DIII sports emphasize education and graduation a lot more than DI schools do. If you look at the facts, DI schools do not graduate a lot of their college athletes. DIII schools on the other hand, have a much better graduation rate. Education and graduation is a key difference in DI and DIII sports/colleges.
Everyone is playing for a different reason at any level of sports. Whether it be for the love of the game or to go on to the next level (doesnt have to be the NFL) in the case of football. The main difference is that D3 offers no athletic scholarships which makes no sense to me. You'd think with all of the revenue generated that it could trickle down to our level and offer many more people a chance to play the game they love.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion Division III (D3) athletics are the toughest of them all. I agree with Nicci on the fact that D3 athletes participate in sports because they love the game. As a D3 athlete like myself one of the toughest things to overcome is the fact that we cannot receive any sort of athletic scholarship. Recently, there was a big issue in D1 athletics with players going to bed hungry. Players were complaining that they were not getting enough food with the amount of work they are putting into their sport. The NCAA looked into the situation and made a change right away. Now D1 athletes have the privilege of receiving as much food as they want during any time of the day and its all free. As a D3 athlete I think if they are going to change the rule for D1 athletes then they need to change the rule for D2 and D3 athletes.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you goose, but the main fact why they won't is because it is our love of the game that keeps us playing this sport and not getting a scholarship. If we complain then all they'll say is ok quit
DeleteDIII sports are tremendously different than DII or DI sports. DIII athletes truly care about the game, their life, their studies, their future. A majority of DI and DII athletes are only attending school to play their respected sport. Take a scholarship out of the equation for any DI caliber athlete and I would say 50% of them don't take the time or effort to care. We (DIII) athletes have to deal with everyday hardships and struggles of the real world to support ourselves, DI athletes just have to show up to class, go hard in practice, and stay out of trouble.
ReplyDeletehttp://bleacherreport.com/articles/1819804-textbook-uses-cardale-jones-infamous-we-aint-come-to-play-school-tweet
This article is a prime example of the difference between a DI and DIII athlete.
I think the biggest difference between DIII sports vs DI or DII is the reasons why we play. DIII athletes play for the love of the game, we aren't playing for a scholarship, we play for the game. I've read a couple articles that say DIII isn't as competitive as the others, but I disagree because I know our football team here is told to compete everyday and to out compete or out work our opponents. I feel as if DII or DI atheltes do what is needed to just get by, but DIII athletes strive for excellence in the class room and on the field. At least we do here at TMC, thats why all our sports teams are so successful. I feel like DIII, DII, and DI have similar issues but the only ones that the media focuses on are DI athletes. DI athletes are under close watch with the media. For example Johnny Manziel when he was a collegiate athlete. Never do you see anything on ESPN or any news on DIII athletes partying or doing the things he did.
ReplyDeleteThe article below is a break down view on each division:
http://www.shmoop.com/college/ncaa-division-1-recruiting.html
I think the reason why people think that there is such a huge difference between Division I athletics and Division II athletics is caused by the drastic difference in media coverage. There is always some type of Division I sport on a ESPN network and the only time you see Division II sports on TV is if it it is the national championship. Also I think another difference is that Division III athletes play for the love of the game and Division I athletes play for the fame and the money(scholarships). I think that there really isn't a difference between the two divisions when it comes to training and off season workouts. We both have the early morning lifts and runs and work just as hard because we all have the same goals, and that is championships.
ReplyDeleteThe biggest difference between d1 athletics is the amount of media coverage each division is receiving. For example one of the best players in a d1 can be featured on ESPN everyday on college football live and become a household name; whereas Thomas More currently has one the best players in d3 and safe to say he won't be getting the notice compared to someone playing for Ohio State. When it comes to time put in with school, training, practice, studying, etc. I believe it's about the same as a full time job on each level.
ReplyDeleteThe difference with D3 sports is that there is less commitment then D1 to D2. I don't think D3 players have the same issues with the NCAA as D1 players. For example, d3 players do not get drugged tested and if they do they might get it once a year, at D1 schools, players get tested at least once a month, even during their off season.
ReplyDeleteThere are a couple of differences between D3 and D2&D1. The scholarships are different from each other where D3 doesn't receive spots scholarships, but the other two divisions do. Another thing is that I honestly believe that D3 athletes care more for the sport that they play due to the fact that you don't receive scholarships. Its like D3 has a showing of more commitment and passion for it compared to how D2 & D1 really reflect it on having a chance to go to the next level and having almost everything handed to them.
ReplyDeleteTo draw a tangent from the debate about paying student athletes, especially at the Division I level, I am curious to hear about what people think of the proposition that Division III athletes could be offered athletic scholarships. Would that be a reasonable policy or is it prone to the same abuse that might come about with paying Division I athletes a stipend?
ReplyDeleteI think that one consideration is how, as Division III schools are generally smaller and more tuition-driven, the expense of giving out scholarships is more palpable for these institutions than is the case at the Division I or II levels, and as a result, the same problem of the wealthiest schools recruiting the most skilled athletes through more attractive scholarships exists. I do not think that this would apply as much though considering that not quite as much money is pumped into Division III athletics as is the case for Divisions I and II.
My two cents on Division III athletics is that it is more recreational. Yes, I compete and, yes, I put in considerable amounts of time into tennis, but I have no intention of ever pursuing tennis in any sort of professional capacity after graduation (I have nowhere near the requisite talent for that). Tennis is a component of my experience here at TMC, but my education is by far my foremost concern.
I feel like the biggest difference for Dlll athletes are that they play the game mainly for the love for the sport. when you look at Dl or Dll they are about to receive athletic money to help convince or persuade them attend a certain university. and even though majority of Dl athletes have a better chance of playing at the next level i still believe with the money generated by the NCAA, Dlll athletes should get a little help paying for school even if its not much. it can almost been seen as disrespectful to athletes, its like the NCAA is telling them they aren't athletic enough to earn money for school.
ReplyDeleteDIII sports obviously don't give their students any scholarships so that's really the big difference. If players earned scholarships in DIII, then it would face the same problems DI and DII face. also, DIII doesn't have nearly the fan base and media coverage DI gets, so the players strictly do this for the fact that they want to play still. no other motives besides the sport. And i definitely agree with Luke's last comment, if certain schools are allowed paying their players contracts to play there, why can't DIII athletes even receive a scholarship?
ReplyDeleteI think that the biggest difference in D III sports is that the athletes play the game for the love of the game rather than for a athletic scholarship because D III athletes can't receive an athletic scholarship. And most a lot of D I athletes are trying to go pro where as D III athletes usually are not. No they do not have the same sort of issues because D III athletes don't have to worry about athletic scholarships and they have more time to focus on school work because that is more important.
ReplyDeleteI think that there are some huge differences in DIII sports. The biggest one I think is that DIII athletes play because like CJ said above, they love the game. Athletes that love the game and want to play for fun and devote their entire life to the sport is why they play DIII. At the other levels you don't get that love of the game. Maybe youre on the team to keep your scholarship, or it was just what was expected of you. But I know so many people that went to DII and DI colleges to play sports and just totally hated it. They went from loving the game the played all of their life to hating it in a matter of 6 months.
ReplyDeleteAs for the NCAA I believe that there are more issues in the DI and DIi athletes because they are more closely watched. I know that this may sound bad, but NCAA doesn't really care about DIII athletes. We're just another number to them and in the end wind up not creating a revenue for them so as a business, all we do is drain money from them so the could care less about us. Just as in anything now days, big businesses only care about you if you are an asset to their revenue.